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giangian 37 ( +1 | -1 )
Kasparov vs X3D Fritz Nov. 11, 13, 16, 18 Kasparov will play against Fritz in NY.
(40 moves in 2h, next 20 +1h, 15' + 3''*move after move 60)

Kasparov just turned 40, Fritz 12... I think it will be an interesting challenge, even in case of 4 draws. No?

When computers will be saiyng "mate in 54" before first move?

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buddy2 43 ( +1 | -1 )
XRD Fritz I'm afraid it won't be as exciting as human V. human matches. I'll probably watch, but be turned off by all the hype and publicity and all the money exchanging hands, when the world chess championship (and USCF) is in so much financial trouble. I understand a normal board and pieces will not be used, and K. will call out the moves, while watching a virtual reality setup. The last K v. computer was an embarrassment. I hope this one turns out better, but I fear it won't.
anaxagoras 14 ( +1 | -1 )
A computer vs. computer match would be far more interesting...

So why is it that 'the public' is more interested in watching a machine than a person?
soikins 58 ( +1 | -1 )
anaxagoras What do you mean with "public"? If the organizers who can find money for Kasparov-Fritz, but not for Kasprov-Ponomariov or Kramnik-Leko, then the answer is simple -- you can't sell 100 000 copies of Leko or Ponomariov. If by "public" you mean the people who do not know a heck about chess, but seem quite interested in this Man v. Machine stuff then the answer is muchharder and lies somewhere in the field of such sciences ad PR and advertising.
If by "public" tou mean chess playing public, then they probably arme more interested in Kasparov-Ponomariov and Kramnik-Leko.
That's how I see it.
slowdive 23 ( +1 | -1 )
... I like computer vs. human matches. But only if it is between one of the top
two or three humans vs. one of the top two computer programs. I don't
know about this 3D stuff, it sounds stupid. I won't watch this match. But
Kasparov vs. Deep Blue was enthralling.
calmrolfe 27 ( +1 | -1 )
Game 1 Game 1
Kasparov - X3D Fritz [D45] 11.11.2003

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.d4 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.g4 Bb4 8.Bd2 Qe7 9.Rg1 Bxc3 10.Bxc3 Ne4 11.0-0-0 Qf6 12.Be2 Nxf2 13.Rdf1 Ne4 14.Bb4 c5 15.cxd5 exd5 16.dxc5 Qe7 17.Nd4 0-0 18.Nf5 Qe5 19.c6 bxc6 20.Bxf8 Kxf8 21.Ng3 Ndc5 22.Nxe4 Nxe4 23.Bd3 Be6 24.Bxe4 dxe4 25.Rf4 Bd5 26.Qc5+ Kg8 27.Rgf1 Rb8 28.R1f2 Qc7 29.Rc2 Qd7 30.h4 Qd8 31.g5 Bxa2 32.Rxe4 Qd3 33.Rd4 Qxe3+ 34.Rcd2 Qe1+ 35.Rd1 Qe3+ 36.R1d2 Qg1+ 37.Rd1 1/2-1/2

brankort 38 ( +1 | -1 )
anyone watch? i actually watched the match on ESPN 2. The game was exciting...but i wasn't crazy about the commentators. Of course Ashly and Seirawan are great players but they didnt analyze positions thoroughly or as well as i would have liked. Back in '72 Lyman and his guests had no technology...but at least they went thru variations...any comments from anybody else who saw match?
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dervish 13 ( +1 | -1 )
I also watched on ESPN and thought they should keep a regular board on the screen, the 3-Dimensional board was too hard to follow...
buddy2 72 ( +1 | -1 )
3 dimension I agree about the 3d board. I've never seen a 3d board on a 2d screen that looks half decent. I could see the pieces in the foreground, but the background squares were unclear. Maybe we all need the special glasses. Anyway, the problem with analysis is it only appeals to experienced chess players. The guys with the combination parchesi, chinese checkers, chess kit they pull out on rainy days would have NO idea what they were talking about. Suffers the same problem as soccer first did in U.S. (remember, only the goalie is allowed to touch the ball!). I imagine the coverage in Europe would be a little more advanced, maybe without all the bells and whistles.
pycroft 84 ( +1 | -1 )
Kasparov v. Fritz I also watched it on ESPN 2. I thought the commentators were quite awful, and I think the match will not be received well by the general public. They tried to play this up as man v. machine. That's a concept that lots of people are interested in. The only problem with having Grand Masters as commentators is they don't know how to communicate with the general public. I thought this was a good way to make more people interested in chess, and I think they didn't help. For example, while waiting for a move, they would talk about possible options, and then comment on what actually did happen. What about the general person who has played, but was there to see something more interesting. It needed more common knowledge, and I agree that the 3-D board was awful!

myway316 34 ( +1 | -1 )
I watched the game... ...on ESPN,also. I was appalled at the way Ashley,Seirawan and Hoffman all had their lips glued to Kasparov's butt the entire show. Their "descriptions" of the game action were condescending,shallow,and not very informative. Interesting game,tho,and it was a treat to watch Gary go thru his usual gamet of facial expressions trying to solve it all.
calmrolfe 25 ( +1 | -1 )
And yet.... There are some GM's out there that are entertaining, witty and are able to put over advanced ideas in a helpful and constructive manner on TV. Bill Hartston used to be very good as a TV annotator and David Norwood is lively enough to do a good job on TV also.
soikins 99 ( +1 | -1 )
Hmmm... I didn't see the game on the TV, but I guess the comments shouldn't be too deep anyway, cause the deep comments you'll read after the game, anyway. It's more about the show during the game itself. Anyway I would put some fragments from interviews, some little comments about the from famous people who know smth. about chess (like Sting, Schwarceneger, Luis or Klichko), anyway, I guess that would do more good to chess than a lot of analysis and two GM's talking how exciting this is. People who do not play chess will probably just think that it's silly -- couple of nerds talking about brain surgery or smth.
Thought, seeing famous peoples comments, they might think smth. like -- wow, Lenox Luiss plays chess! Cool! Wow Sting also plays chess! Mega cool! No way, Schwarceneger is friend of that Kasparov guy? Boy, I should learn to play chess!"
skipwallace555 49 ( +1 | -1 )
I listened to the replay on and I think the analysis by the GM's and host are a bit too stiff and uninformative. I mean, who cares how many times a cartain GM {host} played Kaspy in the 80"s. I think professional announcers are needed to further the growth of chess this kind of event can provide. Who would have thought ESPN would one day by televising chess? Also, this man against machine format has run its course for me. I would like to see some well promoted world matches with humans played here in the U.S.
anaxagoras 190 ( +1 | -1 )
"What do you mean with "public"? If the organizers who can find money for Kasparov-Fritz, but not for Kasprov-Ponomariov or Kramnik-Leko, then the answer is simple -- you can't sell 100 000 copies of Leko or Ponomariov. If by "public" you mean the people who do not know a heck about chess, but seem quite interested in this Man v. Machine stuff then the answer is muchharder and lies somewhere in the field of such sciences ad PR and advertising.
If by "public" tou mean chess playing public, then they probably arme more interested in Kasparov-Ponomariov and Kramnik-Leko.
That's how I see it."

Can you give a rational hypothesis as to how I would desire to communicate "organizers" by "public?" Kind of mysterious to me...

No, I meant something like the second or third, and the distinction is not too cut and dry. It seems to me that the public, chess enthusiasts and non-players alike, are drooling over the day when a machine will *always* beat the greatest GM. The tragedy is that it's not an interesting event, because it will happen very soon anyway. What's more, when it does happen, there will be a *little* blurb about it in the newspapers and then everyone will let out a sigh of relief and the greatest GM will happily go back to playing people.

From what I understand about chess programs, they play the opening by the book. That is, so long as I make a book move, the program makes no calculations and merely proceeds with the next book move. Apparently, programs are terrible at openings without "knowledge" of the book, and I don't think there's anything to shout about until chess programs can navigate through the opening without book knowledge. Notice that in the posted game Kasparov went out of book fairly early with g4, which was undoubtedly a good idea. So what stands between programs and an ability to play openings without reliance on the book?
anaxagoras 7 ( +1 | -1 )
A little bird told me that g4 isn't out of book, it's just out of mine! ;-)
atrifix 5 ( +1 | -1 )
7. g4 is considered the main line. As far as I know, 11. 0-0-0 is a novelty.
ir0nh0rse 5 ( +1 | -1 )
gane 2 done kasparov just crashed and burned in game 2
buddy2 15 ( +1 | -1 )
the glasses I think he's sick of those stupid glasses, but he can't say anything about it because 3d is sponsoring the whole deal! Now that you've made your bed, you have to lie in it.
calmrolfe 51 ( +1 | -1 )
Not the right player Kasparov might be the best human player in the world but he is clearly not the best human when it comes to playing computers. Strangely, he seems to lack confidence when playing computers.

Kramnik is much the stronger player when it comes to playing computers but I guess he does not have the Box Office draw that Kasparov has.

Rg7 was an elementary mistake and one that I doubt Kasparov would have made if he was playing a human. He will need to win with the White pieces on Sunday.....
zoltantor 6 ( +1 | -1 )
3rd game A clear example of man vs machine game..
Still playing
honololou 0 ( +1 | -1 )
Kasparov wins game 3
astinkyfart 26 ( +1 | -1 )
click here for story
astinkyfart 2 ( +1 | -1 )
nevermind it doesnt work.
blueredux 45 ( +1 | -1 )
The URL is correct...
...but the message adds a pesky "<WBR>" tag to the path which screws it up when you click on it directly. Instead, you can select the link text, then cut and paste it into a new browser window and the article will come up.

I'm a little miffed that coverage is constantly switched over to ESPNEWS since I don't get that channel, and so I always see the the beginning of the game on ESPN2, but miss the end! Not that I can comprehend games at this level, but it would still be nice to see.

zoltantor 14 ( +1 | -1 )
The fritz site news
peppe_l 18 ( +1 | -1 )
Finally A beautiful example of anti-computer chess. Fantastic performance by Kasparov, and umm, not so fantastic by Fritz :-)

Not to mention lots of hilarious "but my Chess Destroyer 8.8 says..." comments online :>

cairo 21 ( +1 | -1 )
Like Mike Greengard said:

Viva humanity!!

There is still hope, after such an game :-))

Best wishes
kasparovfan 22 ( +1 | -1 )
What about game 4? Will Kasparov be able to dominate X3D Fritz with black as well? And does anyone know how it's possible that these chess computers are so erratic (if that is a correct way of putting it)?

Best wishes, René
atrifix 165 ( +1 | -1 )
Computer evaluation This game was very strange, all the more so since Fritz's evaluation throughout the game shows that Black is better! I think there are a few reasons for this: (1) the Fritz king safety evaluation is not very good, and only counts pawns in front of the king. Therefore when the king moves towards the queenside where it has no pawn protection, Fritz's evaluation gives Black a big advantage in terms of king safety(!), (2) White's pawn, advanced to b6, cannot open a file on the queenside, and the advance of the a-pawn to a6 to open the a-file is too far ahead for the computer to calculate, (3) Fritz weighs in White's lack of development, since the bishop and rook are not yet developed. None of these considerations would ever come from a human, since none of them matter in the game. "Positional" programs like Hiarcs and Rebel give higher evaluations for White, but still have problems with the same factors listed above. Amazingly enough, Fritz 5 or 6 has a more accurate evaluation function than Fritz 8, and doesn't have so many problems suggesting the push of the f-pawn f7-f5-f4. I think the biggest problem with the Fritz evaluation is the King safety algorithm, given by the pawn protection in front of the King, which needs to be reevaluated in closed positions with pawn chains. This is what caused it to give an edge to Black with white's king on c2 or a1, but more importantly also what caused it to keep from pushing its f- and g-pawns. I don't know why the old versions of Fritz are better than the new versions in locked pawn chain positions.
anaxagoras 21 ( +1 | -1 )
Numerical evaluations of a position are poor in every chess program I have seen. As well, the idea of ".78" describing a positional advantage strikes me as naive. So, good for Kasparov, and now I get to enjoy a replay of the game.
brobishkin 1024 ( +1 | -1 )
3DX Replay of Sundays game... [Event "Man-Machine World Championship"]
[Site "New York City USA"]
[Date "2003.11.16"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Kasparov, Garry"]
[Black "X3D Fritz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D45"]
[WhiteElo "2830"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[SourceDate "2003.11.13"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. d4 c6 5. e3 a6 {Diverging from game one, when
the more common 5...Nbd7 was played. This sideline of the Slav with 5...a6 was
criticized by Kasparov after the game. From the continuation here we can see
why. X3D Fritz is playing from its opening book right into a position it
doesn't understand at all! When Kasparov said this everyone looked over at
poor Alex Kure, the man responsible for selecting and "training" X3D Fritz's
openings. Kasparov has little practical experience with this sideline and in
both cases (once with white and once with black) the game continued with 6.b3.
When this move appeared on the screen I thought maybe the Fritz team were
trying to give Kasparov a little psychological jab. He played this move
himself a month ago against Huzman in a game that turned into the shortest
loss of his career after a horrific blunder. They wouldn't admit it, but you
know they knew about that game and that Kasparov would be forced to think
about while he was sitting there against X3D Fritz.} 6. c5 Nbd7 7. b4 a5 8. b5
e5 (8... Ne4 $2 9. Nxe4 dxe4 10. Nd2 f5 11. f3 Qh4+ $2 (11... exf3 12. Qxf3 $16
) 12. g3 Qh6 13. Qe2 {1-0 Euwe,M-Alekhine,A/NLD 1935/(41)}) (8... e5 $142) 9.
Qa4 $1 {Given an exclamation point by Gligoric and Wade in their book "The
World Chess Championship" (1972). This move was apparently not in X3D Fritz's
opening book so it was now on its own.} Qc7 10. Ba3 (10. Be2 e4 11. Nd2 g6 12.
Nb3 Bh6 13. Bd2 O-O 14. O-O-O b6 15. bxc6 Nb8 16. cxb6 Qxb6 17. Qb5 Qxc6 18.
Qxc6 Nxc6 19. Na4 {1-0 Pachman,L-Fichtl,J/Prague 1954/MCD (41)}) 10... e4 11.
Nd2 Be7 {All of these moves had been played before, although Kasparov said
afterwards that he was not conscious of that at the time at this point. The
game they are following was not a minor one, but a battle from the world
championship match-tournament in 1948 between American Samuel Reshevsky and
Soviet (Estonian) Paul Keres.} 12. b6 {Immediately sealing the queenside and
diverging from that game from 1948, although there are still many similarities.
A player as strong as Keres had no difficulty in seeing that Black needs
immediate pawn play on the kingside in order to compensate for White's
advantage on the kingside. He played a rapid ...h5 push and entered a very
sharp battle.} (12. Be2 h5 13. b6 Qd8 14. h3 Nf8 15. O-O-O Ne6 16. Ndxe4 Nxe4 (
16... dxe4 17. d5 Bxc5 (17... O-O 18. dxe6 Qe8) 18. dxc6 Bxa3+ 19. Kc2) 17.
Nxe4 h4 {0-1 Reshevsky,S-Keres,P/NLD/URS 1948/MainBase (63)} (17... dxe4 18. d5
)) 12... Qd8 13. h3 {An odd little prophylactic move that shows that Kasparov
is betting that X3D Fritz won't know what to do in this position without any
clear targets for its pieces. All the time Kasparov spent training with X3D
Fritz clearly paid off. 13.h3 doesn't develop anything but it takes away a
square from Black's knight, the g4 square.} O-O 14. Nb3 {Kasparov closes in on
the isolated a5 pawn. After he captures it the white pieces will be a little
tied up and during that time Black needs to counterattack vigorously on the
kingside. Instead from now on we watch Kasparov consolidate on the queenside
while X3D Fritz does absolutely nothing on the kingside. It has no clue that
its only hope is to play its kingside pawns forward to break through the white
pawn chain at its base.} Bd6 $6 {This got a good laugh from the Grandmaster
commentators and the audience. Only a computer! It puts its bishop right where
the white pawn can capture it. If Kasparov takes the bishop he loses his queen
after 15.cxd6?? Nxb6 and the white queen is trapped. Of course Kasparov
isn't going to blunder his queen away, so did this curious move have any other
value? Maybe so, if Black thinks its bishop is more useful on the b8-h2
diagonal, attacking the kingside.} (14... Ne8 15. Rb1 f5 {Here is the key move
that X3D Fritz never wanted to play. All of Black's hopes are pinned on
eventually breaking through with ..f5.} 16. g3 g5 {Necessary to enforce ...f4,
but X3D Fritz has been taught not to move the pawns in front of its king. Now
a double-edge battle is underway and White will have to watch out for Black's
breakthrough on the kingside. In the game, Kasparov never had to worry about
this at all since X3D Fritz never touched its f-pawn.}) 15. Rb1 {Kasparov ignor
es X3D Fritz's provocative play and continues to develop his pieces. Black
isn't threatening anything.} (15. cxd6 $4 Nxb6) (15. Nxa5 Nxb6 16. cxb6 Bxa3
17. Qxa3 Qxb6) 15... Be7 $6 {Oh boy, now you know we're in the land of
computer chess. As one of America's top players, GM Gregory Kaidanov, put it
after the game, "this move showed that the computer doesn't feel any
embarrassment!" X3D Fritz puts its bishop right back where it was two moves
ago, basically making Kasparov a gift of two moves.} 16. Nxa5 Nb8 17. Bb4 {
Kasparov will slowly unravel his pieces on the queenside and prepare to push
his a2 pawn up the board where it will break through and give him a protected
passed b-pawn with an easily winning position. X3D Fritz can't see this coming
at all and does nothing but watch.} Qd7 18. Rb2 {This useless-looking move
confused most of the commentators, but to anyone with extensive anti-computer
chess experience it makes perfect sense. The rook protects the f2 pawn, a
potential weak spot, but why would you protect something that isn't being
attacked? The reason goes into how computers think. It's brute force
calculation can only go so deep, even with four super-fast processors. Black's
only possible source of counterplay in this position is to push its f-pawn and
open up an attack against area around the white king, f2 in particular. If X3D
Fritz's search, usually running 12-20 half-moves deep, ever reaches a position
in which it sees success in such an attack it will put such a plan in motion.
On the other hand, if it cannot reach a favorable position in its searches
it will never play the initial moves required. With the rook on b2 protecting
f2 already, the potential weakness of that critical square is somewhat hidden
from the computer's search. X3D Fritz can't just play it anyway like a human
would, knowing that everything else is useless. A machine has to receive a
positive evaluation from its search to play a move and always plays the move
that gives it the best evaluation. Since X3D Fritz sees no danger here for
itself it is content to play moves that do nothing, but don't cause any
negative effect either. It twiddles its virtual reality thumbs. Any human
would say, "I have to do SOMETHING."} Qe6 19. Qd1 {Getting the queen out from
behind the pin on the a5 knight. All of Kasparov's moves are based on
supporting the push of the extra a2 pawn, with the occasional need to protect
against an X3D Fritz threat.} Nfd7 {After this there was a brief hope that X3D
Fritz had found the need to play its f-pawn at long last.} 20. a3 Qh6 21. Nb3
Bh4 {A pathetic one-move threat that ends up wasting more time. This move pins
the f2 pawn against the king and so threatens ...Qxe3+ on the next move.} 22.
Qd2 {Protecting against that threat and preparing to evacuate the king to the
queenside.} Nf6 {Nope, no f-pawn push. Black is doomed.} 23. Kd1 Be6 24. Kc1 {
Kasparov has all the time in the world.} Rd8 {Useless.} 25. Rc2 Nbd7 26. Kb2
Nf8 {Ironically, X3D Fritz was reaching incredible search depths because there
are so few legal moves in this closed position. It was like casting a powerful
searchlight into a black hole. Even reaching 19 half-moves ahead it couldn't
find the essential plan.} 27. a4 {The a-pawn begins its march.} Ng6 28. a5 Ne7
{After all this silliness it's too late for X3D Fritz to do anything now even
if it realized it was in trouble. It's pieces are all on the other side of the
board while Kasparov crashes through with his pawn.} 29. a6 {Kasparov gives
back the pawn temporarily in order to gain a protected passed b-pawn and
squares for his pieces. He will now build up his forces for the final assault.}
bxa6 30. Na5 Rdb8 31. g3 {White gets ready to get his last piece into action
and further restrain the useless black pieces.} Bg5 32. Bg2 {Getting out of
the way of the rook while threatening to win a piece with h4, trapping the
bishop.} (32. h4 $6 Ng4 33. Bg2 Bf6) 32... Qg6 33. Ka1 Kh8 {Two useless-looking
king moves that aren't the same at all. Kasparov is getting out of the way of
his heavy pieces. X3D Fritz is simply wasting more time. At this point the X3D
Fritz team members started to shuffle their feet nervously. They knew from
looking at the evaluation that the program had no idea it was about to be
crushed.} 34. Na2 {Heading to the b4 square.} Bd7 35. Bc3 Ne8 36. Nb4 Kg8 37.
Rb1 Bc8 38. Ra2 Bh6 39. Bf1 {Kasparov has optimized his forces for the final
strike. During the last 20 moves X3D Fritz has accomplished absolutely nothing.
} Qe6 40. Qd1 {With this move Kasparov's last worry disappeared. He had
reached the time control on move 40, which meant he had an extra hour added to
his clock. They would get even more time at move 60, but nobody believed the
game would reach that point!} Nf6 {There is nothing to be done at this point,
although X3D Fritz was still giving White just a tiny plus.} 41. Qa4 Bb7 (41...
Kh8 {Waiting passively doesn't work either.} 42. Nbxc6 Bd7 {This pin backfires.
} 43. b7 $1 Ra7 (43... Nxc6 44. bxa8=Q Rxa8 45. Rb6 Nxa5 46. Rxe6 Bxa4 47. Rxa6
Rxa6 48. Bxa6 Nb3+ 49. Kb2) 44. Nxb8 Bxa4 45. Rxa4 {
White wins easily even without his queen thanks to the mighty pawns.}) 42. Nxb7
Rxb7 43. Nxa6 (43. Bxa6 Rbb8 44. b7 (44. Rb3 Qxh3) 44... Rxb7 45. Bxb7 Rxa4 46.
Rxa4 g6 47. Ra6) 43... Qd7 44. Qc2 {For the second time in this game the queen
steps out of a pin on the a-file. Now it's a simple matter of dominating the
a-file, trading pieces, and pushing the b-pawn. Totally crushing.} Kh8 {
X3D Fritz was still managing to find enough defensive resources in its search
to delay the inevitable. It's evaluation was only -1.50, or a pawn and a half
negative when in fact it is completely losing. The final cataclysm is beyond
its search horizon, just like the rest of the game.} 45. Rb3 {The rooks will
double on the a-file, penetrate to a7 or a8, force exchanges, and finally the
push of the b-pawn will be unstoppable.} (45. Rb3 Ne8 (45... Qc8 46. Rba3 g6
47. Nc7 Rxa3 48. Rxa3 Rb8 49. Qa2) (45... Qf5 46. Nc7 Rxa2+ 47. Qxa2 Nd7 48.
Qa7 (48. Be2)) 46. Rba3 Nc8 47. Nb4 Rab8 48. Ra8 Bg5 49. Rxb8 Rxb8 50. Ra6 Bd8
51. Qa4 Ne7 52. Ra8 Rxa8 53. Qxa8) 1-0

kai_sim 18 ( +1 | -1 )
wow i guess this is the longest post i've seen on this site...
thx brobishkin, i'll have a 2nd look at it in the morning :)
thumper 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Game 4 They're playing right now. It's move 13 and looks like it's heading for a draw!
brobishkin 11 ( +1 | -1 )
Game 4... Ended in a draw... It was funny how Kasparov saw it before the Fritz team... Rather impatient time at the end of the game...
youngglor 5 ( +1 | -1 )
$175 000 Quite some profit for 4 games...don't you think?
mester 9 ( +1 | -1 )
It was nice that ESPN broadcasted it, chess needs more supporters and players.
sxyvoice 20 ( +1 | -1 )
That's GR8~!
achillesheel 25 ( +1 | -1 )
I'm Impressed I'm impressed that the computer beat K two out of four. Who on this entire site could ever hope to do such a thing? I'm impressed K beat the computer two out of four. Who on this site could ever hope to do such a thing? Interesting.
chessnovice 8 ( +1 | -1 )
... Just goes to show - Kasparov is a chess machine over the board.
d123 10 ( +1 | -1 )
game analysis do any of you konw when the analyses of the 4th game will be online on the homepage published somewhere above ??
buddy2 11 ( +1 | -1 )
two wins? In regards to Achillesheel's message, Fritz won ONE game, K won One. Two draws. Am I right? Still no mean feat for either.