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marekt 26 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 Hi! I'm collecting 1.b4 games, since many years. I'm greatful if you pass such games, played here, to me for publishing at my homepage http://www.algonet.se/~marek and for including of them into my "1.b4 Encyclopaedia".

I also invite all of you to participate in my 1.b4 thematic tournaments.

Marek
goforthedraw 13 ( +1 | -1 )
b4 is a very BAD move, well, not REALLY bad, but the polish is very vulnerable, so I'd siggest b3 is you really need to push that pawn.
marekt 39 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 is an excellent move I'm not impressed by your description of your chess playing level.
1.b4 is a good and powerful opening.
In my opinion it is always the player's strength which is important, not the first move. A better player always wins, no matter what the first move is.
To be a GM ("soon") you have to get a little more respect for others (openings and people).
So you can avoid to write "BAD" and "not REALLY bad" in the same sentence.
calmrolfe 54 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 cannot be a very bad move as it has recently been played by the Armenian Grandmaster Vladimir Akopian (who you will remember got to the Final of the World Chess Championship in 1999 - finally falling to Khalifman).

Can't say that I have ever used the opening myself but I will take some time out to study Akopians usage of this opening and try and evaluate what strategic aims he was looking for when he adopted this opening.

Hopefully I might learn something and thanks for alerting me to the 1.b4 opening.

Kind regards,

Cal Rolfe
hugothebest2001 33 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 is my favourite move! I like also the site of Marek!
His tournaments are great.
I just win one game in 0r 01-017 against Paul Lowry. I have white:

1.b4 f5
2.Bb2 e6
3.e4 fxe4
4.Qh5+ Ke7
5.Qh4+ Nf6
6.d3 d5
7.dxe4 dxe4
8.Nd2 Qe8
9.Nxe4 Qf7
10.0-0-0 a5
11.Nf3 axb4
12.Ne5 Qh5
13.Nc6+ Kf7
14.Nd8+ Kg6
15.Bd3 black resigns it's matt in a few moves.

I'm playing 1.b4 in my club EGS in Netherlands.
And i have very good results with it.

Greetings,

Pascal Graafmans
bishop_vlad 23 ( +1 | -1 )
marekt: I suggest you contact karl_heinz here on GK (/stats.pl?karl_heinz). He is a master of the Polish, and has played quite a few games with it.
I hope I was of some help...

-- Vlad

PS I also think that the Polish is a very underrated opening.
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cairo 4 ( +1 | -1 )
There is no such thing as a bad opening-move only bad replies :-))

Regards
Soren
sfox52887 2 ( +1 | -1 )
i was in a tournament and played 1 h3 and won
philaretus 38 ( +1 | -1 )
Time-wasting, not bad. These openings (and defences) are not so much bad as time-wasting. The two principles I would try to follow when playing against them are these:

(1) Avoid tactical skirmishes in the opening that might give your opponent the chance to justify his eccentric play.

(2) Utilise the time wasted by your opponent to free your game and develop your pieces.
hugothebest2001 15 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 is my favourite move! You can avoid openings were the theorie is very far! You think your own theorie.
It's good if you will become better.
So in the future i will be an expert on 1.b4!!
hugothebest2001 16 ( +1 | -1 )
Site 1.B4 The site from the oerang oetang is:
www.algonet-se/~marek/

I hope you will enyojing this site.
You can also play a game in some tournaments.
hugothebest2001 25 ( +1 | -1 )
1 B4!! Yes or no Everybody who thinks that b4 is worse i will prove you that that isn't true.
1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Bxb5 3.f4!? is nice to play
This needs more praxtising.
Who nows some important games to attack b4.
I will challenge it

greeting Pascal
soujrnr 17 ( +1 | -1 )
Hugo, something is wrong! Hi hugo,

Something is wrong with your move list here. In move two you have Bxb5 but there is nothing there to take.

Good day!

Mike
brunetti 38 ( +1 | -1 )
Bad, good... OK, it's not a bad move, but I doubt that it is "good and powerful"! It's playable, but throws away a good part of the opening advantage that White deserves.
It's not a case if you have to cite a single game played in the WCC...

I use to contrast 1.b4 with the interesting ...c6, forcing White to abandon the 2.Bb2 plan, else 2...a5 will follow and Black gains a pleasant initiative on the queenside (see our two games).

Alex
hugothebest2001 2 ( +1 | -1 )
foute zetten the moves are
1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.f4
agkvirtual 3 ( +1 | -1 )
good and powerful?phah! 1.b4 is good,but 1.e4,1.d4,1.c4,1.Nf3,1.g3,1.b3 are better than it:)
robertodemarco 4 ( +1 | -1 )
1. e4, e5; 2 d4, e:d4; 3 c3 What do you think about this?
hugothebest2001 26 ( +1 | -1 )
I think you have lost a pawn.
There is a lot of theorie about this move and 1.b4 is not so well known that is my advantage.
Your move is called the Danish gambit.
But you can also play. 1. e4 e5
2.d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 the Centre game
and 3.f4 Halasz gambit
robertodemarco 32 ( +1 | -1 )
Centre Game After 1 e4 e5
2 d4 e:d4
3 c3 d:c3
if you play
4 b:c3
and in the following moves
5 Ba3
6 Ba3
7 Qb3
8 Nd2
9 0-0-0

and so on there are in my opinion lots of chances for White because there are many lines opened
and great preassure on the King side of Black
I will try to study deeply this kind of open
even if there is the lost of one pawn in the beginning .
Am I wasting my time?
hugothebest2001 5 ( +1 | -1 )
Are there b4 players here? Are there more b4 players at this site?
onlyapawn 3 ( +1 | -1 )
:)) Not me! :)

I've already been punished by 1.b4
tulkos 162 ( +1 | -1 )
here is a game in which I played against b4. 1.b4 this first move gave me a small shock.I thought over it for a while and then played---
1...Nc6 I'd decided to go into a sort of deranged version of the Alekhine Defense.
2.b5 probably his best move.
2...Nb8 moving the N back again.A strange idea but you'll notice I have no glaring weaknesses while the pawn on b5 could easily become one.
3.e3 protecting the pawn.
3...e6 Hoping to attack on the black R
4.Bb2 protecting from the last mentioned threat and getting a very nice B
4...Nf6
5.Bd3
5.d5
6.c4
6...Bb4
7.Qa4
7...Bd6
8.cxd5
8...exd5
9.e4
9...Qe7
10.Ne2
10...dxe4
11.Bc4
11...O-O
12.O-O
12...Bd7
13.Re1
13...Re8
14.Nec3
14...Be5
15.Ba3
15...Bd6
16.Nd5
16...Nxd5
17.Bxd5
17...Qe5! I love this move!A triple fork!
18.Nc3
18...Qxh2+
19.Kf1
19...Qh1+
20.Ke2
20...Bg4+
21.f3
21...exf3+ I had two lines to choose from at this point,this and Qxb2+.the problem I had with it was that the K could possibly get back under cover so I chose this even though it is risky.
22.Kd3
22...Bf5+
23.Ne4
23...Bxe4+
24.Bxe4
24...Qxg2
25.Bxh7+ the risky part.
25...Kxh7 I decided in favor of this rather than protecting the R because I wanted to try and keep the inititive if I possibly could.I was also pretty sure I could force a draw if I needed to.
26.Rxe8
26...Qg6+
27.Ke3
27...Qg5+
28.Kd3
28...Qd5+
29.Qd4?? this was about the worst thing he could do,even though it was very natural.
29...Qxb5+! nothing can save the R now.
30.Kc2
30...Qxe8 We reached the time limit.(we were playing 30 moves in 30 minutes.)
31.Qd3+
31...Kg8
32.Bxd6 I don't agree with this move. I think when your behind in material you shoudn't trade pieces.
32...Qc6+
33.Kb3
33...Qxd6
34.Qxf3
34...Qe6+
35.Kc2 he missed something---
35...Qc6+! Trading down in material now I'm ahead.he can no longer get a draw or win by force.
36.Qc3
36...Qxc3+
37.dxc3
37...Nc6
38.a4
38...Rf8
39.Rb1
39...b6
40.c4
40...f5
41.Kd2
41...f4
42.Rf1
42...f3
43.Ke3
43...f2
44.Rxf2
44...Rxf2 and he resigned.there is no way for him to win the end game.
what is your answer to Bg2?
keiserpaul 48 ( +1 | -1 )
Good moves b4 is a very good move. Other good moves are a3, a4, b3 , c3, c4, d3, d4, e3, e4, f3, f4, g3, g4, h3, h5, Na3, Nc3, Nf3 and Nh3.
The first move itself is not important. But you ought to have a strategic idea with it, the position you have in mind with it is what matters. (remember Tarrasch : "the beauty of a chess move lies not in its appearance, but in the thought behind it"'). If you play b4 to reach a position like b4, Bb2, e3, Bc4 , then an attack with your center pawns can be supported by your bishops pair. So play for positions, not for single moves
philaretus 6 ( +1 | -1 )
I don't think that marekt.... .....is around any more. His last game finished 3 months ago.
marekt 13 ( +1 | -1 )
to Tulkos Send your 1.b4 game to me, please, with names/nicknames of both players.

Thanks!
marekt

www.algonet.se/~marek
gabrielsmith 23 ( +1 | -1 )
I love the b4 opening! I've played the Polish a lot, as b and w, and I
especially like positions arising from the 1...c6
response, or Outflank var. It's very true that this
opening is underrated. If anyone would like to play
some b4 games, send me a challenge. :)
bullmoose 60 ( +1 | -1 )
I've been playing b4 a lot recently in a (probably lame) attempt to try and even the playing field against players with opening theory.
I'm only just beyond beginner level & I want to study the openings last after I've grasped the end & middle game so figured that I may learn a lot by playing an unusual opening often.

Here's a game I won with b4 from the last tournament - may be of interest from beginner perspective!

}: ) Moose

1. b4 e5
2. Bb2 Qh4
3. b5 a6
4. e3 Qb4
5. Bxe5 d6
6. a3 Qc5
7. d4 Qd5
8. c4 Qe6
9. Bg3 g5
10. Nd2 h5
11. h4 g4
12. Rc1 axb5
13. Qb3 bxc4
14. Bxc4 Qf6
15. Ne4 Qg7
16. Ng5 Nh6
17. Ne2 c6
18. d5 c5
19. Nf4 Nd7
20. Bb5 Rb8
21. Nxh5 Qg6
22. Qc3 f6
23. Nxf6+ Ke7
24. Bxd6+ Kxd6
25. Ng-e4+ Ke7
26. d6+ Kd8
27. Bxd7 Bg7
28. Qa5+ b6
29. Qa4 Bxf6
30. Bxc8 Rxc8
31. Nd2 Nf7
32. Nc4 Rb8
33. g3 Be5
34. O-O Bxd6
35. Rf-d1 Kc7
36. Rc-b1 Rh-d8
37. Qa7+ Kc6
38. Rxb6+ Rxb6
39. Na5+ Kb5
40. a4+ Kxa4
41. Ra1+ Kb4
42. Qxb6+ Kc3
43. Qb3+ Kd2
44. Nc4+ Ke2
45. Qd1#
1-0


experiment2001 28 ( +1 | -1 )
bull moose. That game is like any other game with any other opening played by two average/beginner players. It has nothing to do with b4 even if you opened with it.

Even if your mate was nice.

b4 demands a higher knowledge if played, even if it CAN be played by anyone.
absolutegenius 23 ( +1 | -1 )
help!!! i get confused by chess "code". is 1.b4 the bishop pawn out 2??? i would have thought that this was not such a good move, but that's probubly just me...can someone give me the board no. of a game where this was played???
sr_ajedrez 40 ( +1 | -1 )
i dont know anything about b4 opennings. But i do have an opinion (if i didnt i wouldnt be human :O)

conceptualy white advances on the side. which would mean having to figth of blacks central advance first to prove a side manuevers to be of worth. Not bad in itself but probably relinquishes initiative. Id put it as a dangerous threat on our
adversary thats not entirely up to oneself fulfill. call me romantic or poetic, but thats the way i see it.

regardz
sr_ajedrez 40 ( +1 | -1 )
i dont know anything about b4 opennings. But i do have an opinion (if i didnt i wouldnt be human :O)

conceptualy white advances on the side. which would mean having to figth of blacks central advance first to prove a side manuevers to be of worth. Not bad in itself but probably relinquishes initiative. Id put it as a dangerous threat on our
adversary thats not entirely up to oneself fulfill. call me romantic or poetic, but thats the way i see it.

regardz
sr_ajedrez 35 ( +1 | -1 )
id like to add that whithout knowing a single line of this opening, probably white has to up the stakes during the game by giving material to get back the voluntarily relinquished initiative. which is in a sense a contradiction. That would make it fun, but not practical. id like to stress that i havent use words as bad or good. tx and sorry if im ranting too much :O)

regardz
philaretus 17 ( +1 | -1 )
absolutegenius Look through the games of hugothebest2001. As White, he plays almost nothing but the Orang-Utang (1.b4).
goforthedraw 166 ( +1 | -1 )
you get me wrong, b4 tends to be vulnerable, it takes no stake in the center, nor does it really appear to help white, I have seen it played sucessfully, I personally know a 2340 IM that plays b4, quite often, he does it b.c people don't know it, it helps him, but unless you know how to play it, you're walking into trouble, I used to just play e4, cause I kind of knew it, Now I study multiple variaitions, and like the Reti (Nf3) quite a bit, though while I've only played it in one tourney, and won both games, I found my knowledge to be shaky, and get me into trouble I had to work hard to get out of... best Idea is to play what you know, don't get fancy, when I became a better player is I stopped, as my coach would say, "feeling" the moves and started playin solid, you will find that sacrifices are rare, and good sacrifices even fewer and far between, I even played a game, where I personally played badly, but a lucky break, and a little planning helped me, sometimes making mistakes makes us better, not in the future, but in the moment, and a key I've learned from games like that, never give up a strong developed peice for a weak undeveloped one. One of my firsts games here I won b.c my opponent took BOTH of my rooks, for both of his bishops, and while sure, he was up the exchange, my two bishops were worth more than his queen, and I ended up winning. Best advice is to not play something uorthodox, unless you've studied the lines. b4 is really nothing more than a "Here, look at me, I played something you probably don't know" move. If you know it, GREAT, play it, but if you don't.... I wouldn't risk it, but hey, thats the point of chess, to learn... Have Fun... see ya all! :)
absolutegenius 23 ( +1 | -1 )
why play 1.b4, when 1.b3 is protected, and still allows the same movement. i looked at some of hugothebest2001's games, he just seems to be wasting the pawn...(the f8 bishop...)

sr_ajedrez 1 ( +1 | -1 )
b4 is more ambitious thats why.


regardz
philaretus 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Because.... .....1.b3 doesn't:

*inhibit Black from playing c5

*allow b5, attacking a Knight on c6.
hugothebest2001 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Because!!! White wants to attack and not to defend!
gabrielsmith 27 ( +1 | -1 )
absolutegenius: Take a look at board #202268 and board #240910, if they're
still available. They're a couple of b4 games I played.
hugothebest2001 20 ( +1 | -1 )
1.b4 gambit The 1. b4 gambit is very difficult.
1.b4 e5
2.Bb2 f6
3.e4!? Bxb4!
4.Bc4 i have got a some games with this gambit, but i have no theorie about it. Where can i find some games with this gambit?
nottop 80 ( +1 | -1 )
b4 is not a good move The problem is looking at the variations.
After a move like b4 it is not possible to really examine the variations.
There are way too many options for either side from the very start.
I believe it is necessary to ask if b4 is a good move without examining any replies.

b4 helps to develop the c1 Bishop and attacks the c5 square. But it sets up a weaness that eventually has to be defended or a pawn is lost. Other moves attack more central squares and don't create any weaknesses.

d4 and e4 also faciliatate the Bishop development and place a more pressing claim on the center. Also they do not create the weaknesses of b4.

It is not good to analyse variations when the position is not forcing. Better to evaluate the position itself - after b4, black must be equal - the game is not lost but the opening advantage has been squandered in just one move.

marekt 24 ( +1 | -1 )
to nottop: Too many variations??? You write:

"After a move like b4 it is not possible to really examine the variations. There are way too many options for either side from the very start."

??? ??? ???

You know what? You are a moron. Try another game, with less variations.
hugothebest2001 11 ( +1 | -1 )
To Nottop Did I ask you how you like 1.b4 ?
I don't think so.
I asked for games with the gambit variation.
But you can't read i think!
And 1.b4 is too difficult for you.

hugo
thegreatpolgar 22 ( +1 | -1 )
I do believe that nottop just stated his opinion. I see no reason why he should be attacked for that. I was going to post a site where you could get some games on that b4 variation, but on second thought, i guess not :-((
keiserpaul 25 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 is not a good move too because it puts an undefended pawn in the center, where it can be attacked from alle sides, and it doesn't develop a piece. So it's not better than 1.b4.
1. Nc3 and 1.Nf3 are much better moves. They develop a piece and they have grip on the center.
tovmauzer 25 ( +1 | -1 )
Marek & Hugo If everybody will be punished this way for just saying aloud his opinion, we would have no forum discussions at all very soon. Be nice to others, please, even if the matter concerns your beloved b4. Besides of all it's just a game...:)
hugothebest2001 15 ( +1 | -1 )
What just a game! I once had the chance to win one miljoen dollars.


I lost

He said


It's just a game.


WHAT JUST A GAME?????



I just lost 1 miljoen dollars!!!!!
tovmauzer 9 ( +1 | -1 )
I feel sorry... about your 1 million lose. Probably you should consider 1.e4 next time??:)
marekt 6 ( +1 | -1 )
taking back Hi all,

you are right, of course, I'm taking back "a moron".

Sorry
nottop 28 ( +1 | -1 )
Walking the Walk Ok

I've played almost 200 correspondence games and not one player has called me a moron.
I have never made a rude remark to an opponent.

Usually I get along with my opponents, even when they whip the tar out of me.

So I've sent a challenge. You can be white. You can play b4.

Already talked the talk.



experiment2001 5 ( +1 | -1 )
Hahahaha Already talked the talk,
now let's see how far his king can walk :D